Posted by: jerseyg | December 22, 2012

The Sandy Hook Massacre – performed by the traveling acting troupe, the Crisis Players(maybe? or a reasonable fascimile)


Active Shooter Crisis Actors Target Mall Shootings via Visionbox  (or False Flag Shootings R Us) ~jg

DENVER, CO, October 31, 2012 — A new group of actors is now available nationwide for active shooter drills and mall shooting full-scale exercises, announced Visionbox, Denver’s leading professional actors studio.

Visionbox Crisis Actors are trained in criminal and victim behavior, and bring intense realism to simulated mass casualty incidents in public places.

The actors’ stage acting experience, ranging from Shakespeare to contemporary American theater, enables them to “stay in character” throughout an exercise, and improvise scenes of extreme stress while strictly following official exercise scenarios.

The actors regularly rehearse scenarios involving the Incident Command System and crisis communications, and appear in interactive training films produced in both 2D and stereoscopic 3D.

Producers Jennifer McCray Rincon and John Simmons formed the group to demonstrate emerging security technologies, help first responders visualize life-saving procedures, and assist trainers in delivering superior hands-on crisis response training.

For example, with a large shopping center, the producers review all security camera views and design dramatic scenes specifically for existing camera angles, robotic camera sweeps, and manually-controlled camera moves.

The producers then work with the trainers to create a “prompt book” for the actors so that key scenario developments can be triggered throughout the mall shooting simulation, and caught on tape.

The actors can play the part of the shooters, mall employees, shoppers in the mall, shoppers who continue to arrive at the mall, media reporters and others rushing to the mall, and persons in motor vehicles around the mall.

Visionbox Crisis Actors can also play the role of citizens calling 911 or mall management, or posting comments on social media websites.

During the exercise, the producers use two-way radio to co-direct the Crisis Actors team from the mall dispatch center and at actors’ locations.

Within this framework, the exercise can test the mall’s monitoring and communications systems, the mall’s safety plan including lockdown and evacuation procedures, the ability of first responders and the mall to coordinate an effective response, and their joint ability to respond to the media and information posted on the Internet.

Security camera footage is edited for after-action reports and future training.

Visionbox is a project of the Colorado Nonprofit Development Center. Crisis Actors is a project of the Colorado Safety Task Force established by Colorado State Senator Steve King.


Shakespeare was right…all the world IS a stage.  Particularly where there is a need for murder and mayhem. ~jg



  1. What a surreal development…

    A dream within a dream – a stage within a stage, where nothing is real – or nothing can be discerned as real or false. Like bringing ‘reality TV’ to ‘reality’.

    Is it real or Memorex?

    Where is the collective going with this? Where does it start / where does it end?

    This is coincidental? The slippage of paradigms at this time? The situation is, shall we say FLUID.

    Since this Sandy Hook incident, I have found a lot a fragmentation all around. Running from one bizarre clue to the next. What does it all lead to?

    It seems to me that this was a real mass murder that meant to now be mythologized as a ‘stage production’ – why? So that such mass murders can be reasonably be presented from this point forward as ‘stage productions’.
    How clever for the psychopaths aye?

    This is the Trick Top Hat supreme here, we are definitely entering Lalaland.

    The Dark Knight is now as real as your own father…

    It leaves the head spinning.


    • Will, surreal is the perfect word for it. This is even too far out for a twilight zone episode. I always liked stories with a twist ending. Now that it’s happening in real life….. not so much.

  2. It reminds me of the worst of liberalism. The kind of PETA nazi’s and Fur zombies, Greenpeace torpedos, and other extremists. This is just another segment of the kind of manipulation that should have eveyone opt out.

    Fearless is the keyword. Liberalism whether left or right works on fear. It is time for COTO and other free persons to adopt a zero tolerance to any of these sociopathic stagings and manipulative dialectics.

    If we all said we don’t care, its not real, don’t buy it and made it culture, we’d gain the edge. I think I might send letter to the admin congratulating them on the tony of the production but that the props and players were hideous. Storyline good but the costuming and continuity were atrocious.

    Good luck on the Emmy though! 🙂

  3. Patrick, your haunting in connecticut header, while brilliant, is really freaking me out. The shock value is definitely there.

    Btw, did anyone actually see the movie A Haunting in Connecticut which is based on a true story? If you like scary paranormal stories, that’s a very good one.

    • I was going for the non-traditional concept of haunting that this will be to Obama much as 911 to Bush but since we are in the theatre of committee I’d give it a specter look.

      I just watched the PCR vid you posted and I am continually praising Paul Craig Roberts as a pure genius of the big picture. He is unvarnished with any agenda, much as Webster T and reporters like Rappaport. Too many others have been erased sadly and PCR has been marginalized for it but he continues on. Thanks for that gem.

      • My pleasure PD because I too am a huge admirer of PCR.

  4. I had eralier today made the comment about the mental angle and Orwellian picture. It appears the pre-crime analysis will begin.

    Police Dept. to Use Internet to Try to Stop Mass Shootings

    Don’t expect a defense.

    [Kelly said in a statement. “The goal would be to identify the shooter in cyberspace, engage him there and intervene, possibly using an undercover to get close, and take him into custody or otherwise disrupt his plans.” ]

    translated: a bullet to the head (1 of 1.6 billion)

  5. New York-Chicago-DC-Hollywood, a syndicate?

    NEWTOWN – NEWWORLDORDERTOWN – how transparent

    • This is a disgusting piece of trash put forth by the zionists and their illluminati scumbags. I can’t stand beyonce and jayz and just seeing her stupid face is making me angry. Hey girl, isn’t JayZ packin’ heat or doesn’t he need to because he’s got his own armed guards. How dare these millionaires that live in their highly secure fortresses tell us wee folk how to live.

      Go to hell hollywood.

      • It’s a full blown Satanic effort from Holyrood west fabian to east rosycross.

        It’s not just our awakening happening.

    • What’s up with AJ? One day he sounds like he thinks Sandy Hook is a false flag, the next he’s saying it was done by a crazy violent video game playin’ freak on SSRIs. I don’t listen to his show anymore unless he has a guest like David Icke or Jesse Vetura on which always makes for good entertainment..

    • Yea, “ENOUGH” of this hokey shit…

      Unbefuckinleavable….this video is MKSupra…

      Cancel my prescription for the Resurrection Medication…


  6. Another good summation vid including more of the madcap “Harold the Hachetman ME” and Jesse Ventura kickin’ some Piers ass. I’m not a violent person but I’d love to see Jesse physically kick his pasty white ass 😀

    • Again you can see this dipshit implant the seeds of his credentials. He was a whack job when in Hartford and moved to this little coven especially for the event. These kids were shuffled off in vans. No bodies yet but certainly will be.

  7. House Passes NDAA 2013 with Indefinite Detention Intact

    Step One, then the guns then your right to protest.

    Remember Tienanmen Square? It’s not going to be as lovely as that.

    • No surprise there eh Patrick? They’ve already tamped down our right to protest. Now they are out to disarm law abiding citizens to leave them helpless to defend themselves against the criminals… namely..them.

      • correctomundo mi amiga!

        Strategically chipping away at the bill-o-rights since the patriot act. we have covered all the acts and scenes in 2800 postings

        The actors in this soap opera have come and gone but the edge of darkness and secret storm remain through all my children.

        By now all of cototypes should know the fiscal cliff is the grand bargain to the remaining libertarian hold outs. It is another fiat fabrication meant to play out until the problem population is sufficiently weeded out.

  8. Newtown has Reputation as Satanist Hub – no shit sherlock!

    Madonna in sorrow – sacrificial ritual burn

    Parents, do you really know where your children are?

    • Patrick, when I went to open the second link, a warning from “cisco” came up saying it was a web threat. What’s on there ?

      • Deterring traffic. Simple. Don’t believe it.

  9. Know what else adds to the theory that you and I have of the kids PD? The fact that the parents never saw their child, only a picture of them to identify with. Also,during that entire time “Harold” was performing his hatchet work, there were cops stationed outside each victim’s family home.

    People say it was to save the parent’s more grief and to protect them. I say it was to keep them guarded so that they didn’t make any moves to go and see their kids. All funerals were closed caskets…did the parents get to see them before they were closed as is the usual case? Don’t think so….

    • The only summation I can conclude Deb. These victims are still victimized. Where how and what for are still open. 911? I ponder their GPS location everyday.

  10. Greetings of the seasons I express.

    • What is that syntax?

      Señor El Yoda?



    Text to Pathologist Carver’s New Conference at Sandy Hook:

    Reporter #1: So the rifle was the primary weapon?
    H. Wayne Carver: Yes.
    Reporter #1: [Inaudible]
    Carver: Uh (pause). Question was what caliber were these bullets. And I know—I probably know more about firearms than most pathologists but if I say it in court they yell at me and don’t make me answer [sic]—so [nervous laughter]. I’ll let the police do that for you.
    Reporter #2: Doctor can you tell us about the nature of the wounds. Were they at very close range? Were the children shot at from across the room?
    Carver: Uhm, I only did seven of the autopsies. The victims I had ranged from three to eleven wounds apiece and I only saw two of them with close range
    shooting. Uh, but that’s, uh y’know, a sample. Uh, I really don’t have detailed information on the rest of the injuries.
    [Given that Carver is Connecticut’s top coroner and in charge of the entire postmortem this is a startling admission.-JT]
    Reporter #3: But you said that the long rifle was used?
    Carver: Yes.
    Reporter #3: But the long rifle was discovered in the car.
    State Police Lieutenant Vance: That’s not correct, sir.
    Unidentified reporter #4: How many bullets or bullet fragments did you find in the autopsy. Can you tell us that?
    Carver: Oh. I’m lucky I can tell you how many I found. I don’t know. There were lots of them, OK? This type of weapon is not, uh … the bullets are designed in such a fashion that the energy—this is very clinical. I shouldn’t be saying this. But the energy is deposited in the tissue so the bullet stays in [the tissue].
    [In fact, the Bushmaster .223 Connecticut police finally claimed was used in the shooting is designed for long range field use and utilizes high velocity bullets averaging 3,000 feet-per-second, the energy of which even at considerable distance would penetrate several bodies before finally coming to rest in tissue.]
    Reporter #5: How close were the injuries?
    Carver: Uh, all the ones (pause). I believe say, yes [sic].
    Reporter #6: In what shape were the bodies when the families were brought to check [inaudible].
    Carver: Uh, we did not bring the bodies and the families into contact. We took pictures of them, uhm, of their facial features. We have, uh, uh—it’s easier on the families when you do that. Un, there is, uh, a time and place for the up close and personal in the grieving process, but to accomplish this we thought it would be best to do it this way and, uh, you can sort of, uh … You can control a situation depending on the photographer, and I have very good photographers. Uh, but uh—
    Reporter #7: Do you know the difference of the time of death between the mother in the house and the bodies recovered [in the school].
    Carver: Uh, no, I don’t. Sorry [shakes head excitedly] I don’t! [embarrassed laugh]
    Reporter #8: Did the gunman kill himself with the rifle?
    Carver: No. I—I don’t know yet. I’ll-I’ll examine him tomorrow morning. But, but I don’t think so.
    [Why has Carver left arguably the most important specimen for last? And why doesn’t he think Lanza didn’t commit suicide with the rifle?]
    Reporter #9: In terms of the children, were they all found in one classroom or—
    Carver: Uhm … [inaudible] [Turns to Lieutenant Vance] Paul and company will deal with that.
    Reporter #9: What?
    Carver: Paul and company will deal with that. Lieutenant Vance is going to handle that one.
    Reporter #10: Was there any evidence of a struggle? Any bruises?
    Carver: No.
    Reporter #11: The nature of the shooting; is there any sense that there was a lot of care taken with precision [inaudible] or randomly?
    Carver: [Exhales while glancing upward, as if frustrated] Both. It’s a very difficult question to answer … You’d think after thousands of people I’ve seen shot but I … It’s … If I attempted to answer it in court there’d be an objection and then they’d win—[nervous laughter].
    [Who would win? Why does an expert whose routine job as a public employee is to provide impartial medical opinion concerned with winning and losing in court? Further, Carver is not in court but rather at a press conference.]
    Reporter #12: Doctor, can you discuss the fatal injuries to the adults?
    Carver: Ah, they were similar to those of the children.
    Reporter #13: Doctor, the children you had autopsied, where in the bodies were they hit?
    Carver: Uhm [pause]. All over. All over.
    Reporter #14: Were [the students] sitting at their desks or were they running away when this happened?
    Carver: I’ll let the guys who—the scene guys talk—address that issue. I, uh, obviously I was at the scene. Obviously I’m very experienced in that. But there are people who are, uh, the number one professionals in that. I’ll let them—let that [voice trails off].
    Reporter [#15]: How many boys and how many girls [were killed]?
    Carver: [Slowly shaking his head] I don’t know.
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Inconsistencies and anomalies abound when one turns an analytical eye to news of the Newtown school massacre. The public’s general acceptance of the event’s validity and faith in its resolution suggests a deepened credulousness borne from a world where almost all news and information is electronically mediated and controlled.
    The condition is reinforced through the corporate media’s unwillingness to push hard questions vis-à-vis Connecticut and federal authorities who together bottlenecked information while invoking prior restraint through threats of prosecutorial action against journalists and the broader citizenry seeking to interpret the event on social media.
    Along these lines on December 19 the Connecticut State Police assigned individual personnel to each of the 26 families who lost a loved one at Sandy Hook Elementary. “The families have requested no press interviews,” State Police assert on their behalf, “and we are asking that this request be honored.[1]
    The de facto gag order will be in effect until the investigation concludes—now forecast to be “several months away” even though lone gunman Adam Lanza has been confirmed as the sole culprit.[2]

    In addition to Carver’s remarks several additional chronological and evidentiary contradictions in the official version of the Sandy Hook shooting are cause for serious consideration and leave doubt in terms of how the event transpired vis-à-vis the way authorities and major media outlets have presented it.
    Regardless of where one stands on the Second Amendment and gun control, it is not unreasonable to suggest the Obama administration complicity or direct oversight of an incident that has in very short order sparked a national debate on the very topic—and not coincidentally remains a key piece of Obama’s political platform.

    The move to railroad this program through with the aid of major media and an irrefutable barrage of children’s portraits, “heartfelt” platitudes and ostensible tears neutralizes a quest for genuine evidence, reasoned observation and in the case of Newtown honest and responsible law enforcement. Moreover, to suggest that Obama is not capable of deploying such techniques to achieve political ends is to similarly place ones faith in image and interpretation above substance and established fact, the exact inclination that in sum has brought America to such an impasse.~James F. Tracy


  12. Will the fact that the parents were not allowed to see and identify the dead children has been brought up and discussed here before. Honestly, I don’t think you have really looked at this case and all the inconsistencies.

    Why do you think many of us don’t believe those children died and were instead spirited away into the darkness(yea, that’s when they “moved” the bodies) by the sick psychos that perpetrated this “event.”? The parents being sequestered in their houses, guarded by cops, not allowed to speak to anyone or sneak out to find and identify their dead child add up to something is really not right here!

    It’s not just about the state taking control of their children. It’s much more than that and much worse.

    Also they first reported that Adam Lanza’s body was finally picked up by some unidentified person. Now they are reporting it was his father.


    • Yes I have looked at the case and all of its inconsistencies. That is why I determine that the inconsistencies are purposeful in creating a state of cognitive tension.

      Why do some of you believe that the children were not killed as reported? Because we don’t KNOW either way. And THAT is part of the strategy of tension here.

      Obviously none of this adds up – that is the point I am trying to make – it is NOT SUPPOSED TO ADD UP, and I think it is in grasping this that is the most important aspect of getting what is going on.

      Rather than spin my wheels on what doesn’t add up, I am seeing that it is part of the op, that this is the whole agenda, to flip us out and keep us chasing ghosts.

      “I know the pieces fit…”~Tool

      No the pieces DO NOT FIT…there are pop-beads all over the floor and they won’t snap into one another to make a necklace…

      You want a necklace? You’re out of luck.

      Rather than continue in these fruitless disagreements, lets look at what their agenda is achieving…fruitless disagreements. Yea? And so much more.

      This idea that the State owns us dead and alive IS an important aspect of what this agenda is telling us. We also know that it is less a matter of making guns illegal than creating armed camps willing to kill each other. The proven result of this op is that more people have gone and cleaned the shelves of semi-automatic weapons and ammo as a reaction to this event. Do you actually believe that the PTB didn’t anticipate and engineer these results? Because that doesn’t add up either unless we see it as part of the design.

      Frankly I see the majority of all this “Satanic Ritual” stuff as SPOOK THEATER: another strategy of tension, especially aimed at the hard core ‘research community’.

      This is my thinking, think of it as The Minority Report. I am not certain I am right in this, but I also know that certainty on any of this is misplaced as well.

      In light of all this, I would posit that this Sandy Hook op is one of the most successful psychological operations they have staged. We have been spun backwards forwards sideways down.

      Let us continue to search and continue to discuss this, but try to avoid getting hot under the collar at my dissident approach. Okay?


      • As an added thought here;

        This SPOOK THEATER goes. This just might explain why Bain’s book came out at the time it did__just prior to the Sandy Hook op.


  13. Sandy Hook Repercussions
    “Even the fact that the parents were only allowed to see photos of their children seem pretty odd.”~Craig McKee

    More than odd, absolutely unprecedented in legal terms of body identification. This is one aspect of this case that I think needs to be highlighted and exposed as beyond all legal protocol. This sets an insidious precedent; that of the ‘state’ “owning” the body of a victim of a crime, rather than the relatives of the victim.

    This is an aspect of instituting Full Spectrum Dominance, dead or alive you are the ‘property’ of the State.

    I suggest that rather than all these personal subjective assumptions on who might shed tears in a TV interview; that we rather consider the implications of the revelations of Stanley Milgram’s work in, ‘Obedience to Authority’.

    If an authority figure can manipulate the average person to electrocute someone, as some 65 percent of the subjects in his experiment, what is the mystery of the “authority figure” – in this case the television producers and agents, to manipulate the emotions of the subjects in these interviews?

    I would submit that what we are witnessing here is this very same type of manipulation. It is grasping this type of manipulation by the ‘authority figure’ that would be more fruitful in our attempt to understand this event, and the ‘Presentation’ of the event by the Public Relations Regime.

    The Darren Brown video “Making a MK Assassin” is a very important work.

    I think we should also consider my suggestion that forms of hypnosis are at play with these interviews of the families and others in the Sandy Hook event.

    It should be noted that the average Amerikan is already in a constant trance state. This has been explained adequately in the information of the psychological effects of watching TV.

    These people become victims of both ‘obedience to authority’ and are subjected to powerful psychological manipulation, do to many aspects of the experience of being interviewed by the very medium they are already enchanted by: The setting, the bright lights, facing a camera, the cues and instructions given on how to act and what the agenda of the interview is meant to convey:
    A ‘Requiem Mass’ for a loved one.


  14. The average person knows nothing of the elite and their Satanic rituals which requires the kidnapping and sacrificing of children. ALL they know is some crazy nut with a gun shot and murdered 26 kids and adults in a school.. THAT’s the image they want people to have in their heads.

    It’s about instilling the fear in every citizen of going anywhere without the militarized police and body scanners stationed at every school, mall and movie theater.

    Will, you really should take the time to investigate the Satanic angle more. Did you ever read or watch the Discovery channel doc that was never aired about the Franklin scanal? Yes, the elite do perform Satanic rituals (Bohemian Grove and Skull and Bones are just boys having fun?..really?)and yes they are pedophiles and use children in those rituals. Sickening to read and or think about but true. AND as you know, such deviance is not new. It’s been going on for centuries.

    My theory is they took those children for such ritual. I even had a dream about it. I think the parents we saw on tv were part of it or forced into going along. The rest of the parents never came forward to speak to the press.

    The story of Sandy Hook has already fallen off the msm radar. They executed their plan, took the children, got the desired effect they wanted.. parents fearing for their own children’s lives and now they are done. We won’t hear anymore info about the case. ALl those inconsistencies will fall down the memory hole along with all the inconsistencies in all their other false flags.

    • Well, if you had a dream about it, that cinches it, you are probably right about the whole thing.

      I know that “Satanism” is an undercurrent in the elite playbook. And since you are right – the case is sealed up tight and the loose ends are sewed as tight as zombie lips; there will likely be no further info but the jumbled splatter scene painted in the TV audience’s mass mind.

      There have been moments when I wondered if Sandy Hook was a real town at all, that maybe it is a set made for the Batman movies…the school everything – just like that bin Laden compound on the military base built for practice runs…maybe the ONLY raids ever really run.

      Maybe the moon is really made of butt-cheese???


  15. haha funny will . didn’t say I was right. just expressing my opinion and theory based on the info or lack of and past false flag study.

    • Lol, I am only being partially facetious here Deb.

      I think that based on the almost complete lack of verifiable information on this incident that any theory is as good as another.

      Like I said in another post, this seems to be one of the most successful psychological operations yet – simply undecipherable.

      At this point the only thing verifiable is the agenda it was meant to put into motion – that is right in our face: Another step to Full Spectrum Dominance.


      • Yep, that’s the agenda, Will.,. Pisses me off that they use the “slaughter” of children to play on people’s fears and emotions.

        But it’s all over now because the msm is done with this bogus story…. !!!

  16. Jon Rappoport on The Psychiatric Police State:

    Gradual steps eventually add up to a fully boiled frog.

    In the “old psychiatry,” before smooth PR and modern marketing really took over, doctors were far more ready to make predictions about the future political ramifications of their work. Absolute madmen like Dr. Jose Delgado and Dr. Ewen Cameron went public with the idea that no human being has an inherent right to his own personality.
    The true role of psychiatry, they asserted, was to re-invent human character, personality, behavior, and thought, from the ground up.


  17. This is all true about SSRI’s. However, where is the proof that Adam Lanza was on those drugs? Where is the autopsy report? How do we know the person found in the school really was Adam in the first place?

    How do we know any shooter at all was found in the school? We’ve got no crime scene pictures at all. How is that possible? These are the questions that need to be answered which we know never will be.

    • Deb,

      Rappoport isn’t saying that Lanza was amped up on drugs or that he was the shooter – all he is reporting is that the psychiatric issue is now on a front burner and the dangers that that auger.

      I think we are all in pretty much agreement that there are no answers but a load of media spin here on Sandy Hook. And as I have been saying the confusion is the goal.

      I think we should all remain level headed. Such as understanding the distinctions of what Rappoport is saying in his newest article, and how that doesn’t mean he is claiming Lansa was on these drugs or that he was a shooter.

      We are free here now to make up ANY theory we wish as to what went down at that elementary school…anything at all, because they have spun it to fine particulates on the maimstream media…and as I keep saying THAT was the agenda, to leave this issue completely open to any interpretation, the crazier the better for the needs of those running this strategy of tension.


      • Actually WIll, I think he is. He’s on Alex Jones right now with Mike Adams and so far it sounds to me like, along with Alex Jones and Mike Adams, that’s the line they are going with. That mentally deranged Adam was on SSRI drugs. Which means they are implying he is the shooter. It’s their whole spiel as far as Sandy Hook goes. Oh wait, now they are saying Adama Lanza was a devil worshipper..what?

        The best I’ve heard on Sandy Hook so far is from Gordon Duff. He says it was a foreign intelligence op *(read Israel) and that there is evidence of that.

        If that’s the case, no wonder Jones is leaving that particular evidence alone. Not sure where Rappapport stands when it
        comes to the zionists. I’ve not seen anything he posted on that subject.

        Anyone? Makes me wonder. Could be why he’s pushing Adam as the shooter on drugs. I could be wrong.. if I am, someone please link me to an article by Jon that blames anything on Israel. I know you can’t when it comes to AJ.

        Wow, that interview made me lose the respect I had for Rappaport.

        • I have read enough of Rappoport’s articles on Sandy Hook to conclude that he is essentially about where we are at…in that the media has spun the story so hard that it flung everything all over the place – they in fact created the perfect medium for a penumbra of conspiracy theories. No not among the TVZombies, but for the critical thinkers. Like the MSM the zombies are off to the newest TV doodad.

          So this event had two targets:

          1] The average ditz TV watcher who just went with the flow and accepted the ‘bottom line’

          2] The critical internet community.

          There would then reasonably be the agenteur that would also be involve with pumping the plots aimed at the second target.

          So it is not that the TV viewer has any cognizance of “Satanism” in America. That whole line would be pumped up here on the Internet. This isn’t to deny that there is such Satanism extant to some degree. But it is to say it is tenuous, relying on a few examples of imagery and a large amount of presumption.

          Now we could move onto an even stranger scenario than has thus been put forward; the Alien Agenda. It is possible that all these kids were beamed up to a spaceship. Can we with any certainty rule this out? We don’t know this isn’t true any more that anything else.

          I might present this as a possibility, but I am not serious in considering it personally.

          I am more interested in what we do know – and that is mostly the activities of the MSM and police in all of this. I think it is obvious that the story was told in such a way that it didn’t add up and that this was by design. This is a provocation of the critical Internet camp. This is something we should give great consideration to.


          • My problem with Rappoport is that he seems to believe, from what I heard today on live radio and his latest articles, that a drugged up Adam Lanza committed the crime. There is absolutely no evidence to support that. In fact, all evidence points to the fact he would be unable to perform such an act on his own.

            So I have a problem with Rappoport and think he has another agenda as he keeps pushing that particular theory.

            • Well if that is what he said on the radio today then I can’t argue with that, and I agree that there is no basis whatsoever to conclude that Adam Lanza was anything other than a patsy.

              I think Rappoprt does have an agenda, and that is to get rid of these psychoactive drugs. But it is poor form to add Lanza into the fold on zero evidence.

              I think we should keep this in mind moving forward. Those who are more concerned with their particular agendas than with precise truth for every particular should be held to account, or at least pointed out among ourselves.

              At any rate, regardless of Rappoport, my analysis of what should be taken from this event stands:

              This PSYOP had two targets:

              1] The average ditz TV watcher who just went with the flow and accepted the ‘bottom line’

              2] The critical internet community.


  18. Yes, Ms. JerseyG, I agree. Satanic rituals and pedophilia is Explanation B, when Explanation A is full of holes. It is a common thread, a weak link, and most importantly an exploited weakness to keep others in line.

    Far be it for me to prophesy, correctly no less.

    The Helgian Dialectic is about thesis, anti-thesis, and synthesis. So the story of Sandy Hook and the emotion it evokes are the thesis. The knee-jerk anti-gun legislation appears to be the anti-thesis. What might the true synthesis be?

    Maybe the powers-that-be (PTB) really want us turned into a state of heavily armed 2nd Amendment Defenders, each with our stash of weapons and ammunition, as well as drugs to maintain our mental well-being. Rather than killing us by poisoning our food supply or infecting us with disease (via chemtrails), they want us amped up like a powder-keg so that all it takes is some HAARP-induced natural disaster to have us turn on each other and effectively cull our infectious herd ourselves via hot-lead-poisoning and reduce our over-populated planet into numbers more in line with the “Georgia Guidestone.”

    The Jon Rappoport piece adds another dimension of “mental health screening” and association with pychiatrists as being gating ones.

    Of course, there is a radical turn to all this bat-shit crazy speculation that I don’t even fully believe, not for lack of desire but for lack of convincing overwhelming evidence. It has to do with the alien agenda. In one version grossly misinterpretted by me, there be good aliens, and there be bad aliens. The bad aliens have been here (under us) pulling strings, directing human efforts (often against the best long-term interests of our peoples), the devil’s bargin in the selling of souls for fame and fortune to keep the masses duped, and blue-bloods and blood-lines being the prospering on-the-surface representatives. The good aliens, who quarantined the bad aliens here, are coming for a visit. However, due to the preconditioning of film and television, we’ll be pre-disposed to exercise our 2nd Amendment Rights by blowing them damn UFO-aliens to bits on sight, as if they were the zombies in the apocolypse or Call to Arms. Some worsely duped than I have speculated that the development of massive arsenals of nuclear weapons that could destroy all of mankind many times over was never for geo-political gains along faux global-political lines, but for the alien agenda. Instead of assisting with our rescue from the ill-meaning PTB, we’ll demonstrate our football-nation trained-mentality to be a trigger-happy vigillantes for Christ, planet Earth, and the human race.

    I do not have any vested interest in defending the above unsubstantiated wild-ass, bat-shit crazy, unfounded speculation. Just throwing it out there, because of them thare damn naggit nuggets of truth that must somehow exist in the UFO and alien folklore.


    • “Maybe the powers-that-be (PTB) really want us turned into a state of heavily armed 2nd Amendment Defenders, each with our stash of weapons and ammunition, as well as drugs to maintain our mental well-being.”~ //

      Max, this has been a working hypothesis of mine for some time now, given the fact that with every one of these well publicized events the Amerikan people rush out to buy more weapons and ammunition.
      This cannot be missed by the establishment. I think this is expected by them and is indeed part of their design.

      This is one of the reasons I think that they are indeed out to stoke a civil war leading to the eventual Balkanization of the US, to fit it into the regional template of the New World Order.

      It will likely be the projected financial crash that will be the flash-point to this conflagration. Tic Tic Tic…


  19. Hey Senor.. I don’t EVER count out the alien agenda 😉

    • Dear Mr. Rogue,

      You write: “Now we could move onto an even stranger scenario than has thus been put forward; the Alien Agenda. It is possible that all these kids were beamed up to a spaceship.”

      Now if you were really so well versed on the Anonymous Physicist (e.g., 9/11 nukes), you would know that it is not about “beaming kids into a spaceship”, but about “taking them down” into the DUMB sites (deep underground military bases), like one in Northern New Mexico (Dulce), where the bad aliens alledgedly do their stuff and experiments on animals, humans, and DNA.

      As a brief tangent, you regularly poo-poo 9/11 video fakery. Indeed, it has been over-hyped and used to insert confusion ala NPT (that I no longer champion.) However, it has been pointed out to you several times that your all-or-nothing stance on video fakery with OBF (you: it was all real; OBF: it was all fake) is a false paradigm as well. Despite the valid flaws you have found in Simon Shack’s analysis, every video anomaly cannot be so easily explained away. I can think of a couple instances of valid 9/11 image manipulation, such as the multiple versions of the same helicopter perspective or (some of) the VicSim evidence. You used faulty high-school over-generalizations (all, every, none, …) to take all consideration of valid instances of 9/11 image manipulation off of the table, despite the fact that you worked in the industry and know that it would have been just another tool in their tool box to implant the message and emotions in viewers minds.

      Well, you are doing the same thing here when contemplating any hints of Sandy Hook (SH) image manipulation.

      I am having other thoughts regarding the Parker family. I have now seen two instances of family photos that appear tainted. In one photo (family in white shirts), Emily appears to be photoshopped in. In another photo that highlights the red-black dress, accounting for the legs of the two kids on Robbies lap becomes a challenge. Add to this that the girl meeting with Obama is so dead-on alike with the dearly departed Emily… to the extent that maybe it was another child of the family who was sacrificed (if the Parker family really was three children to begin with.)

      I was exploring some SH videos on my lunch hour, and one in particular suggested that SH had more the appearance of a movie set. Specifically, the fire trucks were all pulled out, but they and many ambulances were blocked in by vehicles parked willy-nilly. Only on a movie set are they not concerned about keeping the lanes for traffic open (so that a late-discovered bleeding child can be rushed to the hospital).

      I have not researched this as thoroughly as others, so my wild-ass speculation is without substantiation. Until more information is forthcoming, I question the victims very existance in cases, whether they really met their demise that day, and other wrapped-with-a-bow anomalies that rational thought needs to consider while suppressing the emotions this is designed to manipulate.

      I mean, here is a specific. Wikipedia says SH had 456 children enrolled in Kingergarten through fourth grade. One site shows a Student/Teacher ratio of about 16 to one. It says that KG had 100, 1st had 111, 2nd had 129, 3rd had 140, 4th had 145… Simple math suggests that each grade had two, three, or more classes at each grade level.

      It is common for classes in the same grade to share the same lunch and multiple recess periods, and even for classes to be joined for certain teaching activities. Therefore, it seems rather odd that the media has not been trouting out the parents of children (if not the children themselves) from the other classes who knew and played with those who supposedly bought it by .223 caliber bullets shot from a rifle locked in a car’s trunk.

      I admit to no longer having rabbit-ears or cable television, and to not following specific reports on the internet. Still, the funeral services ought to have been abuzz with busy-body news-anchors shoving their microphones into the faces of those other families whose children were spared but who knew the departed, and then this footage should have been available on the internet. But, no. It is remarkably staged managed (from what I’ve seen) to a very small set of “actors”.


  20. I just left this comment on the Rappoport blog at the URL below.
    Let us see if he responds or even publishes the question:
    . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    Mr Pappoport,

    One of my group of analysts listened to the show with Alex Jones, yourself and the Health Ranger today.

    She reported that you were of the opinion that Adam Lanza was indeed the shooter at the Sandy Hooks event.

    If this is indeed what you now think, on what basis to you come to this conclusion?

    Thanks, Will Whitten


    • Did you get an answer yet? There is no doubt from his writings or the radio show that he’s pushing Lanza as the drug addled shooter….

      I hate big Pharma with a passion but they ain’t got nothin’ to do with this shooting or aurora….

      • No, I don’t even know if my question is off of moderation yet.

        Somehow I get the feeling there will be no answer, even if he posts the question…but we’ll see. I’d give it at least a day he is slow with moderating.

        As per Bridges, I said, and I paste from where I said:

        > ‘He signs his posts, //’

        I went on to give his two aliases. I did not say nor infer that he signed is posts here as Bridges.


  21. Mr Bridges,

    If you are going to come on and schmooze your way into these conversations you are free to do so.

    I will dialog with you only so long as you refrain from posting buckets of slop here as far as your characterizations of my own assessments of so many things past.

    As far as I am concerned you are the cops. I don’t know what your purpose here is exactly and I don’t care. If COTO in particular is your new assignment, then that will reveal itself in time.

    In the meantime, don’t fuck with me.


  22. Who the hell is Mr Bridges?

    • He signs his posts, //

      Maxwell Bridges aka Señor El Once, an anonymous person of unknown persuasion.


      • No, I don’t. I do not sign my posts as such.

        Maybe you shouldn’t fuck with me?

        • let me get this strait Bridges, you are saying that you do not sign your posts with the double slash here, when it is obvious from the posts above that you do indeed end with, // , January 7, 2013
          at 11:00 am – and on January 7, 2013 at 5:14 pm.


  23. Dear Ms. JerseyG,

    Mr. Rogue confuses the COTO forum by not addressing me as my posting alias, “Señor El Once.”

    I found that an attack venue on the anomymous internet is to bring up “real name” arguments, as in, “your points are invalid because you didn’t post it using your real name. Who the fuck are you?” Facebook is a big one in this fight, always wanting real names on facebook accounts.

    Of course, this alias-ASSociation tries to frame the discussion away from the fact that a consistently used alias that stands behind the words of that alias (with blogs and websites) can be just as good as a “real name” only without the immediate baggage and danger to a real person or their family that Google will inflict (in the next job search). Been there, done that.

    Google “Señor El Once” and you’ll discover why Mr. Rogue tries to use another name in reference to me.

    Dear Mr. Rogue,

    I will entertain briefly your contention that I am the cops. Seems to me that for a “cop” of my writing talent, my active-duty playing fields and my posting frequency are rather lame, thin, and weak. Such a complete waste of my literary talents! What are they paying me for?

    Even the topics that I write about are rather limited (e.g., mostly neu nookiedoo), but not in a “OneBornFree” or “A.Wright” sort of a stilted way, because I do consider new evidence and I do change my mind when warranted and I do reach in to spare those nuggets of truth from being tossed away. And I have a much better grasp of math and physics than they (or you) do.

    You, on the other hand, are acting rather… “guilty.” I mean, for a man of your posting skills, you always seem to get skittish when around me, calling me names, demanding my banishment, etc.

    You give the distinct impression that the points you make do not stand up to my scrutiny, my research, my analysis, my postings, so ’tis better to side-line your online nemesis early with your theatrics and games [rather than simply ignoring me.]

    Let’s continue for another moment this premise that I am the cops. Just like when I experienced them in other venues, I found they added value to a certain extent. Of course, the limit of that extent would be reached when they attempted games (e.g., flame wars, malframing, strawmen, alias-ASSociating, recycled non-sense, inability to acknowledge points.) Still, their stilted argumentation — owing to the agenda they pushed — was always something that could be “built upon”, a defect to be exploited. I used to call it “semaphores for 9/11 truth” in that their wave-off’s of something meant just the opposite.

    At any rate, if I am the cops or an agent or other type of infiltrator, it is not necessarily a bad thing, if done respectfully. It provides a different perspective that — if cop oriented — ought to be easy to defeat in a rational discussion, making the lurker readers better for having read the debate.

    Of course, I deny the cops association. But if you persist with your copper game, (a) you’ll have to provide lots of specifics and (b) you’ll have to avoid the cop-traits listed for me coming back around and being a better reflection of you.


    • “Mr. Rogue confuses the COTO forum by not addressing me as my posting alias, “Señor El Once.”~Bridges

      No Bridges, I am not confusing anybody, I am making something clear.

      Blab on, you have already revealed your agenda, as from the beginning when we first started sparring on Truth and Shadows, just about a year ago now you have been attempting to frame me as an agent for the state, continuing with your bullshit trip about A Wright, which is what originally brought you here. As I was talking about what utter bullshit you were aiming at me as per this ‘puppeteering’ slur.

      You have in fact already touched on it in this very thread.

      I call this blatant projection, for I say you are indeed the cop. I say that your agenda here is nothing else than what has begun here on this thread.

      I won’t deal with your mischaracterizations of myself Bridges. I will only point out that this seems to be your new assignment, to pull me into another series of Señor El Booboo Lunatic Carousel rides.


  24. Ahhh ok… thanks Will.. I hadn’t noticed that.

    • You didn’t notice, because Mr. Rogue is lying. I do not sign my postings as such HERE.

      Mr. Rogue is trying to play an alias-ASSociation game, because he knows it touches a nerve. He knows that if he can break my weak internet barriers (or get others to do his dirty work), it might very well cause real, personal damage.

      Immorality is a sign of an agent, I’ve learned the hard way. They will out you publicly if given a chance, then associate all sorts of lies and smears with the outed name, mostly for the “google-background-check” effects.

      So let’s not go there anymore. When appropriate, I share my particulars and validate my concerns.

      • You forgot your – // – Bridges, which you were posting until this little spat began.

        Why did you suddenly drop your slashes Maxipad?


      • “Mr. Rogue is trying to play an alias-ASSociation game, because he knows it touches a nerve. He knows that if he can break my weak internet barriers (or get others to do his dirty work), it might very well cause real, personal damage.”~Bridges

        WTF? I don’t give a rats ass what your real name is. I am just reading your MO and saying it as I see it.

        This attempt at staying anonymous on the Internet is futile bullshit, the parties that matter, the corporatists both in and out of “governent” already know who everybody is__don’t kid yourself.

        And to say that you personally have any more to fear from being “out” on the Internet, as I am as anyone paying attention knows I reveal my real name on quite a few occasions…we are all liable for our words here and they are surely on file at the proper terminals.

        You are play acting at being paranoid – you are all one slick act Bridges. This took time to sort out, but I am convinced of it now.


  25. Thanks Senor. I was thinking my eyesight OR my mind is weaker than I thought….

    • The slashes are on these posts, are you reading with your glasses Deb?

      This thread:
      January 7, 2013 at 11:00 am – and on January 7, 2013 at 5:14 pm.


  26. I wasn’t looking for slashes WIll. I was looking for the signature Maxwell Bridges. What’s the big deal about slashes? You two bicker like old men on a park bench!

  27. Dedicated to Will and Senor 😀

    • Nice song, but I think that ‘Kodachrome’ would be more appropriate in this instance Deb.


  28. Let’s drop it Bridges, let it lay.

    I don’t want any more of this carousel ride.


  29. Nah, this song was perfect and btw one of my favorite S&G tunes. You two make me laugh with your overly verbose rebuttals to each other 😉

  30. Hey Will; Maxipad just doesn’t have it figured yet do he, You just don’t like him period. Nothing’s ever going to change that no matter how he tries. That’s what happens when one’s overplayed their hand. I’ve been computer gimped again but am back up and at it. I didn’t pay much attention to this post , looks like I missed out on some fun

  31. Mr. Rogue noted:

    “He signs his posts, // […] Señor El Once, an anonymous person of unknown persuasion. … You forgot your – // – [Señor El Once], which you were posting until this little spat began. Why did you suddenly drop your slashes [Señor El Once]?”

    Actually, I sign my posts “Señor El Once” with a date and time stamp. When I remember that “Señor El Once” is akin to “Señor El Zorro” with his sword-slashing Z’s, I add a slash-slash “//” for entertainment value. But only when I remember.

    Of course, the // is a weasel-move for Mr. Rogue in the alias-ASS-ociating name dropping games he plays.

    Let’s do the recent numbers [from “The Sandy Hook Massacre”]:

    ++ hybridrogue1 on January 7, 2013 at 6:01 pm
    ++ hybridrogue1 on January 7, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    ++ Señor El Once on January 7, 2013 at 7:11 pm
    ++ Señor El Once on January 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm
    ++ Señor El Once on January 7, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    ++ hybridrogue1 on January 7, 2013 at 7:45 pm
    ++ hybridrogue1 on January 7, 2013 at 7:53 pm
    ++ hybridrogue1 on January 7, 2013 at 7:58 pm
    ++ hybridrogue1 on January 7, 2013 at 8:30 pm
    ++ hybridrogue1 on January 7, 2013 at 8:36 pm
    ++ hybridrogue1 on January 7, 2013 at 9:10 pm
    ++ hybridrogue1 on January 7, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    I wrote to Mr. Rogue in the 7:11 pm posting:

    “… if you persist with your copper game, (a) you’ll have to provide lots of specifics and (b) you’ll have to avoid the cop-traits listed for me coming back around and being a better reflection of you.”

    Of course, after dropping his load of sequential sharts, he flicks his Bic at his behind and explodes with:

    “Let’s drop it [Señor El Once], let it lay. I don’t want any more of this carousel ride.”

    Wise decision, although the air is still aglow with his inner essence, not just here but in his faux debates with OneBornFree and A.Wright on Truth & Shadows [1] and [2]. Neither of those opponents provides much substance, so Mr. Rogue feels obligated to engage them with a flaming tizzy carousel ride of his own anyway again & again.

    P.S. To Mr. Veritable1:

    Please go re-read the rules of engagement on this forum specifically as they pertain to personal attacks. It would be a pity to see you (and Mr. Rogue) bumped from your home court on an insulting technicality.

    Yep, “That’s what happens when one’s overplayed their hand.”

    Not to worry. The time suck of the COTO forum may not appear on my unfinished resolutions for the new year going forward. The kicker is probably Mr. Veritable1’s wise words:

    “Nothing’s ever going to change that no matter how he tries.”



    • But, you’re such an easy target, andI calls em as I see’s em. I’m just wondering, don’t you have somewhere else to go to annoy people or is this a broad spectrum thing. I doubt the rules apply upon telling someone, you just don’t like them.

      • So, what do we get from this guy? Just like the cop I suspect he is he threatens the both of us. He “just might” try to get us bumped off of our own site on a “technicality”.

        I should say that he might have well have flashed his badge.
        So watch that Anglo-Saxon Veri:



        • Does that mean I can’t call him EL// MuMuMu/axiPuPuPu. Ah you get the picture. Call the cops on me el// AD.

    • My very last post here I said:

      >’Let’s drop it Bridges, let it lay.
      I don’t want any more of this carousel ride.’

      And what is your response Mr slash slash Zorro? Another load of sludge and accusations that my postings to counter the shills on Truth and Shadows is disingenuous.

      I do not welcome your presence here and the above diatribe is a perfect illustration of why. I do not need to go through a point by point rebuttal with you on any of this. I have come to the determination that your agenda is and always has been to frame me, either as an agent or as someone who is not rational. I consider this type of agenda to be the job of a cop. So I say I think you are a cop. I say that your continued postings to this affect are further proofs.

      I did not challenge you in my first comment on your comment to JG.
      It wasn’t until your post of on January 7, 2013 at 5:14 pm, wherein you had to go into your little “tangent”, which is a continuation of the same old song and dance you spit at me time after time.

      I am fed up with your crap Mr Maxwell Bridges aka The Mask of Zorro, or whatever your fantasy of the day is.

      If you persist in hanging around here don’t be surprised if I don’t receive you well. I consider you a trolling cop.


  32. Hey PD is the sheriff here.. no one is getting arrested by anyone but him!

    • Thanks for saying that JG, I’ll try to not call El//zero here too many bad names.

  33. lol…veri… u guys really do crack me up with your antics 😀

  34. This is a comment I made on November 29, 2012 at 1:50 pm
    on my post:

    This is not the first time I explained this to Bridges, I had made it clear long before he became a “regular” here, I said:
    . . . . . . . . .

    I am going to explain to Mr Bridges one last time why he is not welcome on these pages.

    It has nothing to do with his nookeedoodoo argument. It has nothing to do with “fear” in “debating” him. We have “debated” in circles for month upon month on these issues.

    My issue with Bridges is [1] that he feels he can chase me around the web, and FORCE a debate on me, [2] that he has and continues to try to frame me as an agent for the system, [3] and most distressing, he attempted with scanty and delusional “evidence” to frame me as puppeting another gravitar on Truth and Shadows.

    Therefore, Mr Bridges is not someone I wish to know or have conversations with on any subject whatsoever – and he is certainly not someone I need advice from.
    . . . . . . . . . . .

    Obviously this still hasn’t sunk in, as he continues to contest me for not debating these issues with him.

    No I do not like this provocateur who calls himself Bridges and plays at Zorro. I feel I have valid reasons for not liking him and for suspecting him of having a covert agenda here.

    I asked that he drop it, he instead blasts another load of horseshit. Well that is it. No I’m not going to drop back and be silent in his obnoxious presence.
    I will remind him every time he crosses my path that I consider him a troll and a cop.

    I advise that he buzz off.


  35. Will, if you don’t want to debate him… ignore him. It works like a charm. Back in the old days of yahoo chat we actually had ignore buttons. If you didn’t like someone you could hit that button and you couldn’t see their comments and they couldn’t contact you. I never used it though. I just ignored them manually 🙂

    • Thanks for the advice Deb, I’ll play it my way.


  36. No worries Will. I get it. You like having a nemesis to argue with. Don’t ignore him. That would ruin all the fun.

    • That isn’t really it at all Deb. I have no intent of arguing with Maxipunk. That is what I explained here time and again.

      I am merely pointing out that he has an agenda, and I am going to keep that on the front burner any time he bounces in on our turf.
      I would rather he simply keep his ass out of here.


    • Quid pro quo, Mr. Rogue? Maybe your wish for my non-participation on COTO will be granted in exchange for the same from you on Truth & Shadows.

      Oooo. That would hurt, wouldn’t it? Maybe a compromise is in order. Cut down your frequency in postings; post an impression or thought on an article, and then wait for a rise or response to trigger your next posting. Save ’em up if you have to for book-length shart like mine. In other words, keep your posting activity “circumscribed within due bounds.”

      I love your theatrics, Mr. Rogue, and others find enjoyment in your old-man curmudgeon bickering at me. You are indeed the very natural extension of an emotionally-charged artistic genius who, like a pit-bull clamping its jaws on its prey and not letting go, has your emotional thoughts so clamp down on hating me for things that you provoke, that it lets me push an agency button even though you ought not have one. Your best form was about month “el once” ago or so when you simply embraced it and had fun with it.

      “I will remind him every time he crosses my path that I consider [Señor El Once] a troll and a cop.”

      Such a “cop out”. I asked for specifics. How so am I a cop? Another of your hynotic PR assertions given without substantiation but written in an authoritative manner, aye?

      As for being a troll? Takes one to know one, aye?

      Be that as it may, I am most certainly a cop… in the sense of being religiously fanatical about TRUTH. My agenda has nessitated rescuing nuggets of truth from blatant sources and assembling a rational frame to put them in as I heed the higher calling of “feed my sheep.”

      “Chase you around the web?” Shart! You are the one regularly posting links to COTO on my Truth & Shadows haunts, and now you act as if you didn’t expect that some would not ony follow those links, but also find COTO as a whole worthy of following. Oh ye of little faith of thy own handiwork!

      “Force a debate on you?” Clever framing, Mr. Rogue, but you were the one who signed up for it in acceptance of a gift. I am fine with you welching on the deal, Mr. Rogue, and even with your childish deletion of my postings under your threads. My higher goals were achieved nonetheless.

      The agenda was all about “convince me or let me convince you”, with properly applied math & science, no less, and more importantly objective consideration of all the evidence and miscellaneous nuggets of truth coming from sources. But stubborn old curmudgeon of the auto-dictat school that you are, ain’t nobody who can school you on nothing, and this itself becomes hay to be harvested in the process of “feeding the sheep.”

      “Agent for the system?” Just a button you let get pushed. Not really my belief on the topic, but a “&^%$#$ $#D@#$ stubborn old curmudgeon as well as contradictory and hypocritical… which ends up being out of character for the supposedly objective, open-minded wonk who waxes philosophical on things, when not igniting flame wars” is.

      “Puppeting another gravitar?” Whether or not true, it ain’t a crime, and deployment in this instance wasn’t in an unethical way, such as in building false concensus on a topic. In fact, it was used in a more Plato-esque or Helgian Dialectic manner, your very own counter-pincer-movement and very much in character of someone well versed in Hollywood’s protagonistic-antagonist development to compell the driving of a story. So you over-play your hand in your mock offense-taking and in stirring that pot. Whether or not the sock-puppet in question is yours, but particularly if not yours, you ought to reflect upon your style of engagement with a “less is more” attitude leaning towards “ignore.” I can’t call you on being a puppet-master for a sock-puppet named after your dear old mum if you don’t engage him; and we both know that this actually does you a favor. Moreover, you ought to consider it a compliment that your skills and ample time are deemed sufficiently superb for the alleged alias-ASS-ociation to be plausible and wouldn’t even be conceivable without a coincidental alias-naming tidbit discovered entirely by accident but dropped by your hand.

      At this point, allow me to express my gratitude to one and all COTO regulars for tolerating me. Although Mr. Rogue is entitled to frame the following as “getting a different cops assignment,” the truth of the matter is priorities in life and career. If you all don’t mention me (in a bad light) here [Mr. Rogue] and don’t engage me in this, my swan song, [and if curmudgeon Mr. Rogue “circumscribes his passions” a bit more on Truth & Shadows quid pro quo], then my yet-to-be finished New Year’s resolutions for 2013 [aka “cop agenda”] might have my COTO participation rapidly enter the ether of the internet and quickly be forgotten.


      P.S. Mr. Veritable1, I know you will enjoy this tidbit. Allow me to demonstrate the difference between an ad hominem and a truth. The feminine hygiene product with which you regularly address me instead of with the preferred and respectful “Señor El Once”? That is an example of ad hominem or personal attack. However, through your repetition of what you admit is a bad name, you become “Mr. Veritable1, the man with a proven fettish for feminine hygiene products, a truth and not a personal attack despite potentially being insulting. Must be from personal experience: something to physically block the sharts, aye?


      • I don’t deal with cops Bridges…I had thought of joining the OSS – Adam Ruff boycott of T&S if McKee doesn’t do something about OBF.

        But with your “offer” above, the last thing I do will be to stop posting there.

        This drivel about ‘ad hominem’ is squatdiddle Maxipad, an as hominem is technically only so as use in flawed argumentation. It is NOT ad hominem to simply ridicule or make fun of someone. There are cases when ridicule is the only proper response, such as in the case of dealing with anonymous trolls who pretend they can act like the cops but not be called out as cops.

        Take a fucking hike, it would probably do your system some good to “get some”…


        • Dearest Mr. Rogue,

          The timing of Mr. OneBornFree’s activities on T&S is rather unforuntate.

          Take it from this cop, the only way to stop the loopity-doo is to demonstrate with goto links (as I have done) from the police archives how it is such. Alas, your organizational skills are a bit wanting in this regard owing to you being a highly emotional genius artist [and to the fact that maybe your words aren’t worthy of preserving and indexing for retrieval].

          Your approach to him is all wrong. More irrational and emotional pit-bull antics on your part… When it doesn’t come across as another pincer-movement with a different foil. [If I didn’t suspect Mr. OneBornFree was Mr. Shack himself, I’d be adding that sock-puppet to your theater as well.] Ms. JersyG’s ignore advice regarding me is even more apropo there.

          “Stop posting [on Truth & Shadows]” was not the request. “Circumscription of your activities within due bounds” was. Yeah, and you can leave your ridicule and making fun here, because they really aren’t the strongest argument. They might be your strongest argument and your strong suit, but that doesn’t make them appropriate.

          Mr. Rogue writes about me:

          I advise that he buzz off… I would rather he simply keep his ass out of here. … Take a fucking hike…

          Shart! All this time I had my agenda all wrong! I apologize to the forum.

          When it comes right down to it, maybe my entire agenda on COTO all along has been to get me to this point and to Mr. Rogue’s very wise words re-used against him with respect to his participation on Truth & Shadows:

          I advise that [Mr. Rogue] buzz off… I would rather he simply keep his ass out of [T&S]. … Take a fucking hike…

          Quid pro quo. Rest assured, Mr. OneBornFree will be handled appropriately by those remaining on Truth & Shadows.

          If you feel so inclined to respond to Mr. OneBornFree, you are a valued participant here on COTO with the ability to make your own postings that you can fill with whatever clever ad hominem and ridicule you want. Take advantage of it, and spare Mr. McKee’s forum your squatdiddle.

          You instill me with new vigor and purpose and possibly a New Year’s Resolution line item that hadn’t occurred to me before!

          You keep your squatdiddle circumscribed within due bounds on T&S, or I’ll make it my police agenda item and personal mission to be “you’re number one fan” here on COTO e-v-e-r-y where. Let’s face it; it don’t take many paragraphs from me to get you all emotionally unhinged and serving up Anglo-Saxon! Don’t you just luv it! I’ll be your own personal A.Wright, OneBornFree, and Albury Smith all rolled into one! Man, you gotta like that thought!

          Quid pro quo. Don’t fuck with me, and I’ll do the same with you.

          Meanwhile, back at the ranch with tongue in cheek…

          To Sheriff Puddy Dunne:

          SEE !!! Mr. Rogue did it again: instigating highly personal attacks by associating me with feminine hygiene products. And with ladies present, no less.

          The r.o.e. are clear regarding personal attacks and their consequences.

          This is at least the 2nd offense. I’ll be happy to reference my cop’s database with more exact quotes and links that amply prove Mr. Rogue is not only in flaggrant violation of those r.o.e., but in effect thumbing his nose at Y-O-U and the other esteemed participants here.

          Justice! I demand justice!

          Slap it hands, Sheriff Puddy Dunne! Spank his fanny! Use an actual feminine hygiene product on his orifices! [Same goes for his little buddy, the inveritable Mr. Veritable1!]

          Oh, the emotional pain I suffer from the COTO teasing at Mr. Rogue’s hand! It taint right.


        • For cryin’ out loud, did I go back in time while sleeping and wake up in high school again?

          Where’s the reset button?

          • “This ain’t no party this ain’t no disco this ain’t no foolin’ around”

            I warned you that this guy was a snake. He is setting up COTO right now, can’t you see that?


          • I was thinking grade 3 JG with the class snitch taking on the bad ass’s at the back of the class. A silly person that needs to run along and find their own sandbox, hopefully with cat turd in it.

        • You keep making your agenda more and more crystal clear here Maxipunk.

          You are a jerk as well as a cop. Go tango on the dance floor tiny dancer, your shitsteppen is unwelcome here.

          Puddy Dune, I warned you about this punk.


      • Nice try going after my masculinity El//nob. Reads to me, that’s your issue. You’re not the first invertebrate(no spine) to come here and provide some entertainment for the readership. You and yours are so much fun, good fodder for some great one liners. Hey Willy, we missed our mark, we should have been comedy writers.

  37. ok will:)


    I just saw Alex Jones v Piers Morgan on the debate on CNN – I don’t care what anyone else thinks, I think his performance was just what was needed.
    No pussyfooting with these prissy clowns.

    I don’t agree with Alex every time he shouts over someone, but it was appropriate this time. I think his bringing up 9/11 was good as well.


  39. Maxine now addresses me as, “Dearest Mr. Rogue” like some prissy nanny.
    Miss Prim and Proper is so embarrassed by the Anglo-Saxon…what a bullshit phony act this all is.

    I happen to appreciate the Anglo-Saxon, and I have addressed the intellectual, historical and psychological reasons for this before.

    As I said, every time you are rebuked for using the word “fuck” you are kneeling to the Roman rules put upon the British Isles back during the Ancient Roman Empire. That these are “nasty words” is a result of indoctrination under tyrannical rule – that the culture STILL submits to unconsciously some 3000 years later. This attitude is that of a slave, I will not take on the attitude of a slave.

    Now, I have been using this language freely here because it is presumed to be an adult site conversing about dire matters. I have also been calling Max a punk and an asshole, long before he joined this site. That is part of what drew him over here. If he didn’t want to be addressed in any offensive manners he obviously came to the wrong place. He knew what the deal is here before he arrived. If he doesn’t like it, he can change the channel.

    If he came here to “teach me a lesson”, I consider that stalking and arrogant badgering on his part. In the Anglo-Saxon…or modern street language, I would call this guy a prick. Those who are arrogant are generally prickly jab. a “prick” can be the resulting wound of such a jab, and can be referred to as the tool to make such a wound.

    It is claimed that I “resort” to such language from a purely emotional base. This is not true, I think the language is superbly expressive and makes the ‘point’ much sharper. I don’t need flowery escorts and babydumper temperaments to give me advice or scold me. If “Dear Mr. Bridges” doesn’t like the heat, he should get the fuck out of the kitchen.


  40. I’m not seeing that Mr Bridges doesn’t like the heat anymore than I’m seeing from you that you really want him to leave. IF you did, you’d stop calling him names and totally IGNORE him. Instead you continue to throw more gasoline on the fire.

    How about we end all this crap right now, shall we? Let’s get back to discussing issues and stop the childish back and forth. Is that possible?

    • We’ll see what is possible as things proceed here Deb.

      I’ll ignore him when he stops addressing me and my “needed improvements”.

      I would rather ignore him because there is nothing there to ignore.
      If you think this is a “childish” game you are wrong, I want this punk out of my face.


  41. Just read this on Black Listed News. Upon watching their debate, I doubt very much Alex Jones had any other way out, he was set up to be outed as a buffoon whether he would have engaged the questions or not. Well, he’s front and center now, like it or not, not in a favorable way. As in this article, I read we lost credibility here.

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    Blacklisted News’ Doug Owen Predicted Exact Outcome Of The Alex Jones-Piers Morgan’s CNN Showdown
    January 8, 2013

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    “The first casualty on every @CNN show is the truth. I think everyone loses here” @BlackListedNews on the @RealAlexJones-@piersmorgan crap
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    The internet, especially Twitter, is filled with comments today about CNN’s Guns In America debate with Piers Morgan and Alex Jones. The situation is far too important to allow the same incomplete articles to populate the web.
    Many articles and individual comments say that Alex Jones basically shouted over Piers Morgan incoherently the whole time while Morgan was calm and asked rational questions. This was hardly the case. Though Jones was shouting, at many points to the detriment of his factual argument, it was in response to the few silly talking points Morgan puts forth.

    Pay close attention to the following as Piers Morgan and Alex Jones illustrate the essence of the infowar, a tone-deaf shouting match filled with ignored questions and utter confusion, leaving the viewer even more confused. He has even described the psychological tactic on his show, the organized chaos leaves people completely disinterested.

    Via @NWO_Analyst
    Here is the much anticipated interview with Alex Jones and Piers Morgan on CNN, courtesy of Conservative1001BG

    Piers Morgan is used to the style of tawdry tabloid journalism that grabs attention at the expense of intelligent substance. That skillset works out well in the CNN fold where he is expected to give unsuspecting liberals a dose of friendly talking points that are light on the facts, while scoring points with barely relevant questions that don’t actually add up to a linear argument.

    Alex Jones came on last night as the face of the “real” 2nd Amendment patriots, aside from his usual international banner of liberty for all humanity. Was anyone paying attention while he shot every liberty lover and truth seeker in the back with his crazy rant?

    Before the live event, Doug Owen made a prediction oh his show about the showdown.
    Now here’s a prediction and I hope it doesn’t happen. Somehow Mr. Jones and all the “infowarriors” are able to usurp the Second Amendment debate” and becomes the archetype, the face now that the NRA is completely and irrelevant.
    It’s really not just Owen, but many in alternative media, and those who frequent alternative news sites could piece it together. CNN laid a big trap and Jones walked right into it, guns blazing in a full blown rant from the beginning.

    Owen also said Piers Morgan is the face of the of the gun control fever. It was perfectly set up as a primetime event, almost too perfectly which Owen noted was conveniently while most were watching the BCS National Championship.

    What really happened last night is the information war sped up, just like the coming military action in Syria. What happened is the debate has gone mainstream now and painted an anti-intellectual target on the back of anyone who is:
    1. a reader of Infowars
    2. Knows that the official US government account of the September 11th attacks is wholly false.
    3. Understands the any level of the global financial ponzi scheme
    4. or holds any views not approved for conversation on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, CNBC, or live national news
    Owen also framed the rest of the debate as it related to the 2nd Amendment, noting that the public perception of it would be heightened.
    And the question is, are you compelling.
    If you’re not compelling people on the other side of the debate…
    If you’re not compelling the million, maybe 500,000 viewers Piers Morgan might have tonight…
    you know what, you’re right, you’re right, I’m going to buy myself a Glock… today
    If you’re not doing that, you might actually be doing more harm. you might actually be downplaying the debate, making it a mess. Getting more people on the side of Piers Morgan.
    Exactly what he said would happen, happened.

    The video below starts with saying Alex Jones went from “zero to Freakazoid” right from the beginning.

    Smart people know the actual numbers and gun facts related to gun control to understand that an increase in other violent crimes is certain and that in America, the math on just doesn’t work. For example, the rifles the media wants you to believe are so dangerous and kill all the time, more people were killed by hammers and clubs or people’s bare hands (FBI Stats).

    What people really don’t understand is that there will be a serious problem with forcible confiscation or buyback of weapons. The estimate on the number of guns in America runs from 200-300 million guns depending on where you look. For the sake of examples, estimate that approximately 50-100 million are in private homes. What rate would people turn guns in at? 50% or higher? I personally think it would be lower as many would resort to hiding guns.

    Patchwork gun laws create victims as many law abiding citizens put their guns down while the criminals do not. Critics say if the nation had uniform or similar laws, the Chicago problem would not exist, where there is virtual ban on guns and last year, at least 446 kids were shot. That’s almost 2 Sandy Hook tragedies a month. Without confiscation, bans create an amorphous black market and lead to a society like Chicago on a large scale. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in America and as this picture went around on Facebook notes, #1 in gang violence.

    With that said, what would happen to all those guns? Would people suddenly turn them in? If not, how do you confiscate them?

    In a gun confiscation scenario, as time draws on, guns will become the new drugs in a hyper black market. These guns wouldn’t disappear of course, maybe some would hide or bury guns for extended emergency, but what happens to the majority of guns? Just by virtue of supply and demand, they become more valuable and those with the means to control the supply would flock to do so. That supply would be controlled with guns also. This is the sort of situation in Mexico where there is a total gun ban and gun crime runs rampant with the law-abiding public becoming victims as a whole.

    What happens if you introduce incentive such as gun buyback into the equation? People would die in greater numbers over the valuable commodities that guns would become. Look at non-lethal items that are stolen often like Apple iPhones, iPads and Air Jordan sneakers. There are numerous headlines every week with people getting targeted for those popular gadgets, especially because they sell quickly. People in many urban areas get robbed for their sneakers, again because they are in-demand, short supply products. The price tag on Apple products around $300 and up, and Air Jordans no lower than $100 a pair for most should illustrate the value, including the easy turnover rate. So compare that to guns, in this limited fashion, if money or other valued goods are offered for those guns, wouldn’t there be blowback with people dying over guns similar to the drug wars?

    They could be bought back, forcibly, like New York Governor Mario Cuomo says.

    Maybe you don’t have to confiscate them.

    A gamechanger would be for the first gun owner shot for not turning over his guns will spur two things, many guns to be turned in later that night and also committed individuals to take a more anti-government stance. This would lead to a literal new civil war in America, whether a regional crisis or widespread. That’s where all the fancy police state law comes in handy, literally being able to black bag Americans indefinitely.

    This is the natural progression of the national gun control debate, which no one at all has any credible suggestions that satisfy a large number of parties that could actually be peacefully implemented.

    What kind of gun control do people want? There are many opinions on this, most of them bad, uninformed or made of talking points from the media that everyone loves to hate.

    The worst talking points start with the term “assault rifle” which has been misused so much, in many cases, it includes semi-automatic weapons and other non-qualifying weapons.

    Skip the posturing and Washington BS. What form will gun control take?

    Just look at the plans put forward by Senator Dianne Feinstein, who is a hypocrite in her own right.

    She wants to implement plans for gun registration and confiscation plans Senator Dianne Feinstein has made ready for debate.

    She was worried enough about her safety to get a concealed carry permit after her life was threatened. At one point, she kept armed guards, but now claims she has given up that concealed carry permit.

    Most firearm murders, of that approximate 11,400, are gang related, how many would you guess had legally purchased or registered weapons?

    There is a large outcry of people clamoring for something to be done about guns, but the operative part of most plans would call for someone to confront these gun owners. What does that look like?
    What’s your plan for disarming them? Another law? That’s laughable. The only way to go and get those guns is to cordon off an area and squeeze it until they surrender or the area is small enough to kill them. Who’s going to go on those raids or missions? You Piers Morgan?

    The same goes for the “heartland of America” and southern US gun owners. This is another case of official sounding people getting people to do the bidding for their own enslavement.

    So really, who’s going to do what and when? With that said, when it gets violent and drawn out, the questions of how long a campaign, how many lives lost, and how much property damaged will America put up with?

    As Alex Jones says, we’re a violent culture, but I think America would be soft on this one when there is blood in the streets. What about the first drone strike. This is a game of chess involving millions (billions?) of lives and as sad as Newtown is, these 20 little angels were a tragic loss but it is time for a full debate on how this can work and no more rhetoric. Education is the beginning.

    You can read more here about who wants American guns and why, and who wants to turn it into a show.

    Specifically, the US military policing American streets would be a show for the world, or if it goes full on civil war, international coalition troops are just as eager.

    It’s a safe bet to say that most of the voices clamoring for gun control, enjoy the luxury of a relatively safe environment where their personal safety is hardly a concern as someone else usually guards their life and generally far enough out of sight to make the person forget.

    Owen also predicted that Jones’ performance would lump all conspiracies together and attach them to Alex Jones full meltdown special.

    It happened with the September 11th attacks when Piers Morgan asked out of nowhere about whether he believed the Bush administration was responsible. Alex Jones did mention that it was individuals within the military-industrial complex, but he didn’t rationally offer up enough evidence, instead resorting to one of his really bad jokes. The “opportunity of a lifetime” live on CNN and couldn’t do better than that on 9/11? (Read more on 9/11)

    This is why some people think he is a disinformation agent, search on the internet for neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) and you will notice he is good at hynpotizing you with it. Maybe he does it on purpose, maybe not. I listen to Alex Jones a lot, mainly to filter the information because he bloviates and exaggerates, but he’s not always wrong. In fact, many times he’s right, with official facts or documents to prove it, but it’s really about what percentage of the info is right and in what context he uses it.

    One would think that Alex Jones would have read the article on 7 ways to better write for liberty.

    Alternative media does not have the luxury of being factually wrong or simply appearing crazy.

    An important note from the video above.
    At the end when he asked him, are you finished, [Jones] said “Yes” and that pretty much sums it up
    Do not let this moron be the face of the movement.
    So is it a psy-op or did Jones just fly off the handle by accident?

    I can’t call it and don’t care, because it doesn’t affect our content. CNN and Piers Morgan got what they wanted, ratings and for a crazy outburst to brand the anti-gun movement with. Alex Jones hit #1 on Twitter trends. So maybe they both got what they wanted and fractured the debate more. Decide for yourself, but remember that there is an element of truth in much of what he says, at any given time, maybe it’s 15%, maybe it’s 100%, but use your own brain and don’t take the logic of Piers Morgan, Alex Jones, or me for that matter. Human perception is about analyzing the same evidence and reaching a conclusion, but television and specifically the “news” has become increasingly opinionated, with fewer facts. At least on this site, you’ll get a lot of opinion with enough facts to see what’s really happening.

    • “I read we lost credibility here.”~Veri

      We lost credibility with who? How much credibility did we ever have with this ‘who’ in the first place?

      I think the whole “credibility” game is horseshit. Who do we want to appear to be ‘credible’ too? Brainfried TVZombies that can’t walk a straight line without Muzak and place marks?

      These automaton’s eyes roll back in their head at the mention of any real truth.


  42. Veri, I totally agree. CNN and Piers Moron had their way with him and we all took the hit. Because now every one who questions 9/11, or the police state or the gun grabbing of the fascists, will be painted in Alex Jones’ psychedelic lunatic fringe colors and I for one am not happy about that. So many people have been just waking up, not fully so, just stirring and fence sitting. Well Alex and his big mouth blew them right off the fence and into MSM’s waiting lap.

    He did not speak coherently… he raved like a mad man. I don’t understand how anyone in our movement could think his performance helped our cause.

    I think that may have been his purpose all along.

    • When I watched it, I thought he blew it, I can’t stand Alex Jones. His minions on his site are currently crowing about how he stood up to Piers Morgan like he did something heroic when in fact he was nothing more than a cymbal clanging toy monkey. As far as our credibility goes, it’s been my view that we were starting to gain a foothold in the fact that we were presenting some cold hard facts and common sense questions to those that have been having doubts and were searching for truth. What little we’ve gained, we’ve lost some of from his lunatic rant.
      I’m sure many here have seen this but I’ll put it up anyhow. You may have to search around a bit to get a view that doesn’t have the pauses that the youtube presentation has.

    • I still don’t think it’s going to amount to a hill of beans. This deal with Alex Jones isn’t going to have any repercussions at all, the agenda is set, the people are fragmented and the shit is going to hit the fan before any grand awakening takes place.

      Yup, just my opinion…here’s the salt shaker.


  43. The average TVZombie is programmed to have two simple emotional modes:

    1] Sedated Somnambulism

    2] Shocked Hysteria

    And they have no idea of what cues these reactions nor a memory of one incident past another. They are a lost cause for the most part. Those who haven’t gotten it yet have a very short time to get it – and by far the vast majority aren’t even close to getting it.

    They are going to be blindsided and unplugged and they will dry up quickly and fade out like a screen going dead.

    Cynical no doubt, but a realistic assessment from my perspective.


    • And here we are cast onto the stage in the prescience of WTF. The question to be asked, a curse or a blessing? Kind of leaves this grungy feeling in the pit of the gut don’t it.

        Wal-Mart to attend gun control meeting at White House
        By Emily Jane Fox @CNNMoney January 9, 2013: 12:03 PM ET

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        Wal-Mart, along with the National Rifle Association, will participate in a meeting with Vice President Joseph Biden’s gun violence task force this week.
        NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
        After initially declining an invitation to attend, Wal-Mart announced Wednesday that it will participate in a meeting with Vice President Joseph Biden’s gun violence task force.
        The nation’s largest retailer, whose representatives had spoken with the vice president’s staff earlier this week on the issue, originally said that executives couldn’t attend Biden’s meeting Thursday because they were obligated to be at monthly sales meetings at its headquarters in Bentonville, Ark.

        The decision was widely scrutinized, with many questioning how Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500)could be a part of the discussion without listening to what other parties were saying at the White House.
        In response to the criticism, Wal-Mart said it would attend.
        “We underestimated the expectation to attend the meeting on Thursday in person, so we are sending an appropriate representative to participate,” said Wal-Mart spokesman David Tovar.
        Tovar said that Wal-Mart has been “very purposeful” about striking the right balance between serving hunters and sportsman and ensuring that it sells firearms responsibly. He also said the retailer is committed to staying engaged in the discussion about the right path forward with lawmakers.
        Wal-Mart sells guns in roughly 1,800 of its 4,000 stores, according to Tovar. It sells semiautomatic assault rifles, like the ones used in Sandy Hook, in about 1,200 stores across the country.
        Related: NRA will participate in White House gun violence meetings
        Just days after a gunman killed 20 school children and six teachers in Newtown, Conn., President Obama tapped Biden to lead a panel that will provide recommendations to prevent another mass shooting.
        A senior administration official said Tuesday that Biden would hold meetings this week with victims’ advocacy groups and gun safety organizations, as well as with groups representing gun owners. The official added the vice president would meet with representatives of the entertainment and video game industries.
        Both the National Rifle Association and the National Shooting Sports Foundation will participate in the meetings, which are slated for Wednesday and Thursday.

        The meetings are expected to result in recommendations that will be presented to Obama to inform which proposal he backs, the official said.

        • The AGENDA flies forward at supersonic speed now…

          All based on a most ludicrous and blatantly false story…

          Amerikan Lemmings…


  44. Prominent rifle manufacturer killed in mysterious car crash days after posting psych drug link to school shooters
    Thursday, January 10, 2013
    by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
    Editor of (See all articles…)


    (NaturalNews) What you are about to read is astonishing. I’m not even sure what’s the right conclusion to draw from it. But here’s what we know so far:

    John Noveske is one of the most celebrated battle rifle manufacturers in America. His rifles, found at are widely recognized as some of the finest pieces of American-made hardware ever created. (I own one of his rifles, and it’s a masterpiece of a machine that just keeps on running.) Sadly, John Noveske was killed in a mysterious car crash just a few days ago, on January 4, 2013.

    According to the Outdoor Wire, his car “traveled across the oncoming lane onto the dirt highway shoulder until it struck two large boulders. The vehicle rolled and Mr. Noveske was ejected.”

    But barely a week before this incident, John Noveske posted a lengthy, detailed post on Facebook that listed all the school shootings tied to psychiatric drugs. At the end of the post, he asked, “What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on?”

    That was the last post he ever made. (Full text below.)

    Mysterious death during gun control debate raises questions

    John Noveske wasn’t the first prominent gun rights supporter to be killed in the last few days. Keith Ratliff, the creator of a super-popular YouTube channel featuring videos of exotic weapons, was also recently found dead.

    The Daily Mail reports that Ratliff was “discovered on a rural road in Carnesville, Georgia. Ratliff had a single gunshot wound the head and police are treating his death as a homicide.”

    Someone murdered Ratliff, in other words, and it had to be someone with the ability to get close enough to Ratliff to take him out without warning.

    Beyond these two shootings, the widely-discredited CNN journalist Piers Morgan, wanted for questioning in Britain’s Daily Mirror phone hacking scandal, invited guests onto his show who threatened Alex Jones’ children and laughed about the idea of Piers Morgan shooting Alex Jones with an AR-15.

    That astonishing video interview is available at:

    Steve Quayle, creator of, says “the red list is on!” This refers to the so-called “red list” — a secret kill list of Americans authorized by Obama and designed to be invoked immediately before an attempted radical leftist takeover of the nation. In support of this theory, Obama himself actually signed into law the NDAA which authorizes secret assassinations of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil.

    Instead of the red list being “conspiracy theory,” it appears to be a key component of Obama’s domestic policy.

    Beyond coincidence: Pieces of the puzzle rapidly coming together

    Sure, a car crash involving John Noveske could be a coincidence. It could also be a coincidence that no video footage has been released from Sandy Hook showing Adam Lanza carrying any rifle whatsoever.

    It might also be a coincidence that Dianne Feinstein just happened to have her detailed gun confiscation bill ready to release immediately following the Sandy Hook shooting.

    It might also be a total coincidence that according to, the United Way Sandy Hook donation support page was created on December 11, 2012 — a full three days before the shooting took place.

    It could also be a total coincidence that NBC News reported Adam Lanza’s AR-15 rifle was left in his car and was never used in the shooting at all.

    I suppose it could be a coincidence that Bank of America slammed home an economic embargo against an online gun parts retailer in the days following the Sandy Hook shooting.

    And it could be coincidence that Facebook suspended or shut down the accounts of hundreds of prominent people who advocated the Second Amendment, including our account here at Natural News.

    And finally, it could be a total coincidence that police radio recordings seem to indicate there were multiple shooters involved in Sandy Hook.

    But what are the odds of ALL of these coincidences existing simultaneously? Those odds are virtually zero.

    Something’s fishy with all this. It’s becoming increasingly apparent that an order has come down from the very top to destroy, silence, threaten or execute true American patriots. Steve Quayle has long predicted this would be the very first step before foreign troops are unleashed on American soil to take over the country and deliver it, just as Obama has always planned, into the hands of the globalist crime syndicate.

    It all sounds outrageous, I admit, and I’m not even sure what to believe myself. But it’s becoming more difficult by the day to deny actual events happening right before our eyes. Believe what you will, but don’t be surprised if people like Steve Quayle and Alex Jones were right all along. If we see any more mysterious deaths of prominent gun advocates, it going to raise huge red flags across the patriot community.

    Read John Noveske’s last Facebook post

    This is the last post John Noveske made on his Facebook page before he was killed:

    Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.

    Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

    Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

    Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

    Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

    Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

    Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

    Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

    A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

    Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

    A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

    Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

    TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

    Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

    James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

    Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

    Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

    Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

    Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

    Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

    Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

    Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

    Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

    Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

    Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

    Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)

    Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
    (Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)

    Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.

    Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

    Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

    Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

    A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

    Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”

    Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

    Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

    Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
    Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

    Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
    New York high school.

    Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

    What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

    What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

    What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

    What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
    Roberts is the only one that I haven’t heard about being on drugs of some kind.

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