Posted by: Puddy Dunne | July 3, 2010

It’s a cycle and for the committee, a tricycle

You can fit the entire population of the world in Texas in 1000 square feet living spaces. You can put the entire pop. of the world in 1/4 acre home gardens sites in Australia.

There may be three million underwater volcanos on earth.

Kill the people, reduce the population or we all die!!!!

Dr. Timothy Ball is a renowned environmental consultant and retired climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. Dr. Ball has a B.A. from the University of Winnipeg, an M.A. from the University of Manitoba in 1970 in Geography, and a Ph.D. in climatology from the University of London, England.

http://itsrainmakingtime.com/2009/climate-part1/

Radio Interview at bottom of Page. Look for speaker icon

It’s a cycle, it’s a cycle, it’s a cycle!

A True Inquiry Into Climate & Weather, Part 1: A Hot PotatoHumans have nothing to do with it    

Joseph D’Aleo, executive director of http://icecap.us, was the first Director of Meteorology at the cable TV Weather Channel. A former college professor of meteorology, D’Aleo has served as a member and then chairman of the American Meteorological Society’ Committee on Weather Analysis and Forecasting, and has co-chaired national conferences for both the American Meteorological Society and the National Weather Association. 
 

Robert W. Felix, author of two internationally acclaimed science books – Not by Fire but by Ice and Magnetic Reversals and Evolutionary Leaps – is the host and creator of www.iceagenow.com and www.evolutionaryleaps.com. He has given more than 300 radio interviews in the U.S. and Canada presenting his view that the next ice age could begin any day.

Kim Greenhouse is host and creator of www.itsrainmakingtime.com. Kim is a communications steward, pioneer, and rainmaker for a better world who loves to bring new knowledge and unique opportunities to those who are ready, willing, and receptive.

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  1. Hey,hey hey,whoa,whoa,, we dont want em here in Texas.Send them to Oz. And we could use a little ice down here,so keep the forners but send the ice , My air-con bill is murder.

  2. Funny,

    We are having the coolest intro to summer on record here. Damn John, tell everyone there to stop breathing.

    I wonder how the winter is treating Ozspeakup?

    • hey there Coto:-) winters been mild and dry till last week, now, its cold and soggy:-) Rainwater tanks full,which is wonderful, means I can enjoy longer hot showers. and dont have to worry re the saline bore water ruining the HWS for a while anyway. supposedly its been the coldest blah blah but it doesnt feel that bad. nothing at all like you guys get there in winter, 4 below is remarkable for most of aus. I have never seen snow. I am potting cuttings i scrounge at the dump madly:-)
      I found Iceage now and that cycle info about a year back. Mea culpa for not passing it on before.
      I was sent an email tonight from a Climate Sceptic member. I think you may alll appreciate some, I have sent some responses to him. to go look up Iron mountain for eg:-) and to look at the Guidestones post to get some idea of how down and dirty their plan is.
      so Apologies at the length beforehand:-) here it is.
      oh and we had a radio show called big ideas on our National ABC promoting the same crap today. too many and the planet is already beyond capacity etc.

      Population and Climate Change

      By Alan Barron, 4 July 2010. Words 1,830.

      Last Saturday (3/7/10), I attended a meeting in the Victorian seaside town of Torquay, not far from Geelong. This public forum was on population and climate change.

      There were three Speakers, demographer Professor Bob Birrell from Monash University, Mark O’Conner the author of `Overloading Australia’, and politician, the member for Wills (Melbourne), Kelvin Thompson. The meeting was organised by SCEG, the Surf Coast Energy Group. Local politicians Darren Cheeseman and Liberal candidate for Corangamite, Sarah Henderson, attended the meeting of some 180-200 people.

      Hardly a world was spoken about climate change. It now seems the global warming lobby has decided to try another tack, the issue of over-population. All three speakers were in fairly general agreement over-population is going to be a major issue – if it isn’t already – in Australia.

      Based on current immigration figures, Australia would reach 45 million by 2050 said Birrell. The consensus of the speakers seemed to be that Australia’s ideal population should be around 33-34 million. O’Conner though a lower figure was more preferable.

      Basically put there are too many people in Australia, and far too many people on the planet. Too many humans soiling the nest, destroying the environment and pushing many species to the edge of distinction.

      I thought to myself, `Mmm, too many people living today. And how do people get here? The answer is obvious, their parents had sex! So are these people saying there is too much sex happening? Maybe we should all be celibate? In my case, I have no immediate plans to do so, sorry about that.

      And I strongly suspect that our `too people on the planet’ advocates are not going to stop having sex anytime soon. But no doubt they will want others to stop. I can see the bumper stickers now; “Save the planet! Give up sex!” I don’t think such a campaign would catch on, but then again stranger things have happened in the past.

      The reason why God made sex so pleasurable was so that people should engage in it and hopefully somewhere along the way, pregnancy would result and a child produced. Sounds terribly clinical doesn’t it. But the survival of the species depends on men and women deriving pleasure from sex, -that’s the truth of it. If you want to stop population growth then you will have to find a way to stop people from having sex. Can pigs fly?

      Anyway, back to our speakers. The guy introducing the speakers said that if we wanted the world population to live as the “average Victorian” did, then we would need an additional 4 planets! One wonders how he managed to work that out.

      All speakers, particularly Mark O’Conner seemed to think people, too many of them at least, were bad for the planet. My impression was he seemed more concerned about the loss of animal species than the plight of human beings, especially those in the developing world. In fact he said 5 billion people shouldn’t be here. Really! The world it seems can only ecologically sustain 2 billion people. I see. It’s more important to look after the planet rather than to look to the needs of humanity. Apparently even Dick Smith has been swept along by all this `people are bad for the planet’ clap-trap.

      O’Conner, quoting Michael Lardelli (Senior Lecturer in Genetics at The University of Adelaide), said population growth in the face of resource depletion is suicide. He said the world’s population went from about 1.6 billion in 1900 to about 2.5 in 1950, to about 6.1 billion in 2000. It is now (2010) approaching 7 billion. Without fossil fuels the population of the world be about 2 or 3 billion as fossil fuels drives modern agriculture, transportation and storage. O’Conner said that the above figures on arable land indicate that in terms of agriculture alone the planet would be able to accommodate only about half the present number of people.

      Kelvin Thompson spoke along similar lines. He also reaffirmed the government’s commitment to reduce `greenhouse gases’ to 60% of 1990 levels (by 2009 levels have risen by 40%). So in effect this genius wants us to live like the Amish in Pennsylvania, US.

      However I will say one thing he got right, the housing affordability crisis in Australia. He said – rightly – housing is a necessity, and in real terms, affordability has declined by 22% over the past couple of years.

      I’m afraid I’m not into the population doomsday scenario as presented by the three main speakers. I would like to summon two speakers in my defence, a global warming believer, Matt Ridley and the late academic, Julian Simon.

      The Resourceful Earth

      In 1984, Professor Julian Simon wrote one of the most influential books on population and consumption of resources, The Resourceful Earth. Simon argued mankind can overcome population pressures by the application of human ingenuity, use of substitutes, and technological progress which has, and would provide, increased agricultural production and more efficient food distribution and storage capacities. Thus society would enjoy lasting economic benefits from natural resources and continuous population growth, even despite limited or what could be considered finite physical resources.

      The Resourceful Earth (so-authored by Herman Kahn), was highly critical of the conventional wisdom of the time on population growth and resource consumption. The Book was a direct response to the Global 2000 report which warned that the rapidly rising world population would lead to wide spread famine, depletion of resources and declining living standards. Simon predicted the opposite, that rapid population increase would result in better food production and there would be less famine and in addition there would be more abundance as mineral and resources exploration would expand thus leading to a higher living standard for most people.

      “There is no compelling reason”, Simon wrote, “to believe that world oil prices will rise in the coming decades. In fact, prices may well fall below current levels”. With respect to oil, the price in 2008 reached the $100 peak it reached (inflation adjusted) before 1880. In line with Simons predictions it had fallen after the 1970s oil shortages to comparably low levels in the 1980s and should do so in the future again.

      Simon is also known for the famous Simon–Ehrlich wager, a bet he made with ecologist Paul R Ehrlich. Ehrlich an advocate of population control, bet that the prices for five metals would increase over a decade, while Simon took the opposite stance. Simon won the bet, as the prices for the metals sharply declined during that decade.

      Simon was sceptical, in 1994, of claims that human activity caused global environmental damage, notably in relation to CFC’s, ozone depletion and climate change, the latter primarily because of the perceived rapid switch from fears of global cooling and a new ice age (in the mid 1970s) to the growing fears of global warming. Simon also listed numerous claims about severe environmental damage and health dangers from pollution as “definitely disproved”. These included claims about lead pollution and DDT, PCB’s, and Agent Orange among others.

      Overpopulation and global warming

      Is global warming a bad thing? Well no according to Matt Ridley, the author of The Rational Optimist. He accepts the premise that human activity is driving some form of climate change and believes temperature is on a rising trend, but also says it seems to be no different in scale or speed from other warmings that the planet has experienced in the 1930s, in the turn of the last century, and in the ice cores from much longer ago.

      Mr Ridley says mankind is having an effect on climate by changing the reflectivity of the land by cutting down forests and the like. He sees carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas and that it’s trapping warming which he says should produce about a degree of warming over the next century, which would be relatively mild and on the whole slightly beneficial, it would slightly increase crop yields across the world.

      He said the question that people disagree about is whether that one degree of carbon dioxide induced warming would produce two more degrees of water vapour induced warming, which is essentially what the IPCC argues. However, he is convinced that the empirical and theoretical evidence doesn’t support that view and that on the whole clouds will more likely slow or mitigate the carbon dioxide warming rather than exaggerate it.

      He argues life is getting better as the result of a modest rise in temperature. Living standards are accelerating and is relatively upbeat about a wide range of current world social ills; from poverty and hunger to overpopulation. Food availability, increasing personal income, and life span are up; disease, child mortality, and violence are down — all across the globe. He argues although the world is far from perfect, necessities and luxuries alike are getting cheaper; population growth is slowing and Africa is following Asia out of poverty.

      In terms of alleged overpopulation Mr. Ridley points out that the rate of increase of population increase has halved in his lifetime. It’s come down from about over 2 per cent in the 1960s, to just over 1 per cent now. That means we’re adding fewer and fewer people to the planet every day. If that continues, and the evidence is that that fall has accelerated rather than decreased, then by mid century, the UN estimates, the planet will have 9.2, maybe 9.3 billion people when the population peaks in about 2060.

      Now one of the interesting features of that is that it means that in the 21st century the population of the world will have increased by one-and-a-half times. It quadrupled in the 20th century and it doubled in the 19th century. So the population as it were we have to cope with, the population increase we have to cope with, is less in this century than in past centuries.

      He says that with increased food production and improvements in technology and transportation, the world is producing nearly three times as much cereals from the same acreage as it did 50 years ago. “If we increase yields,” he says, “at that rate again for another 50 years, and all the evidence suggests we can, because there are huge areas of the world that are not getting fertilisers and pesticides and new varieties and things like that.

      “If we do that, then we can feed 9 billion people from a much smaller acreage, a significantly smaller acreage than we are currently using to feed 6.7 billion. That means that this will be a century of ecological restoration; a century in which we can actually return land to wilderness on a grand scale. I think that’s a wonderfully ambitious goal to aim for and it’s something that you’re beginning to see it happening already with forests being replanted in a number of parts of the world.” (Mark Colvin, Radio National 751, ABC Radio, May 27, 2010. 18:30:00.)

      I went off at the last para! bloody GM crap.

      • Wow. Nice post Laurel.

        I think we can give everyone an acre, seeds, scientific resolution to drought, reforestation programs and IT technology to employ virtual offices around the world. We can scrap large city nightmares and spread the populations out.

        We would have to end Big Agri, PhRMA, DoD and other big profit centers for the committee and implement the 1% solution first. I’m for burning our trash in high heat incinerators and coverting the water and scale to roads, hydrogen for fuel, O2 for hospitals and respiratory clinics. I’d put the facilities in oil drilling and coal mining states first. Then onto infrastructure, jobs and fair tax. Committee members go on the chain gang tour of America to see the damage they have caused.

        • thanks Puddy:-)
          I like your ideas for a better way,
          can i point out that while Aus is big, if you check us out, we have about 90% of the pop on that tiny green coastal fringe, theres a reason, the lack of water, and the heat.
          my last place wasnt in an especially inland or even far from the coast area, and I measured 50C in the shade under a grapevine, more than a few days and more than one summer.
          sun so hot it burns through denim, like standing too close to a heater. literally crisping the bark off of tree branches that dont have leaf covering.apples with Black carbon burns on the sunnyside up. quinces too.
          I cracked an egg onto a sheet of galv and it half cooked, if I had used a cast steel plate and allowed it to warm up say by mid day I think it would have cooked fully.
          I used to half fill a black 20 litre container , sit it on the dirt driveway, and by 2pm or earlier I could top it up with cold, which steamed and was scalding from the hose on the ground, and have a hot wash, for free.
          you can sundry tomatos in One afternoon, ditto apricots and peaches, so there is some good to be had:-)
          Just reading Iceagenows latest, the declaration of disaster areas for washington 29 areas declared. and the flash floods in Idaho. snow on the 4th of July. summer? did someone say summer?

  3. It would solve many problems if ‘they’ were given their very own homeland – On the north pole. Preferably from 50,000′ – 0″

    • antarcticas better- bigger, we could lose them in minutes, mind you we dont have bears to make life fun for them, penguins arent known forself defence, :-(
      and no misguided eskimos to maybe feel sorry for them down there either.

  4. The die-off is a done deal: http://dieoff.org/

    The FATs are only trying to “manage” it… sort of like “managing” a hurricane… which is precisely what they did with Katrina.

    Let the peasants die. We don’t need the “labor” any more. The one thing you can’t let the surviving peasants do is challenge the “pyramid hierarchy,” which is exactly what we peasants must do right now if more of us intend to survive. They know this.

    Whether Climate Instability is anthropogenic or not is moot. It’s a done deal… irreversible. The future will be Green. “Fiat green” is what the FATs have in mind… just like they “manage” a hurricane. Send in the thugs to subdue the survivors. They are securing resources now to make sure they have enough thugs to go around.

    We will be packed into our shit-filled Superdomes (like our own McMansions) wondering what is going to happen next. That’s because we didn’t have the fucking sense to see what’s coming… and because we think the FATs are there to help us out… because (giggle) we “voted” for them and we pay “taxes.” (hahahahahaha)

    Here’s the square deal from Cody Lundin:
    http://itsrainmakingtime.com/2010/codylundin/

    “You take away their food… you take away their water… you take away their dignity… and they will kill you.”

    • I LIKE cody hes well clued in. no crap, funny how much of what he talks of is standard procedures here, but 36C isnt hot, well not so hot that people dont work out in it here. 40 to 45 is hot. thats when we knock off for the arvo, and find somewhere shady. if as I suspect it will , it gets colder, we here will have a lot more hassles adapting to that! we dont have double glazing and insulated walls here, brick cavity isnt good in cold and light weatherboard with no insulation in walls isn’t draught proof, its about zero outside right now Icy by 9pm, and after 6hrs of my fire going I still only have 18C in the lounge, up from a start of daytime 13c inside today, if it was windy too? brrrr.

  5. I like the sites Triad symbol. Good stuff there.


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